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Martin Kinch: Mike,take us back to the very start of your musical
career, how did it start and what was the first thing you did?
Mike De Albuquerque: The first thing I ever did was
I tried to get into my school choir Martin. It was
singing Benjamin Brittain and we were due to make an
appearance at the Royal Albert Hall. There were twenty-two
members of the choir, and I wasn't in the choir! I sat
and watched rehearsals, learned all the parts, and sure
enough, someone went down with flu (laughter), and I put
my hand up and said I can sing any part you want, and I
went in and that was the very first appearance I ever
made, the Worth School Choir at the Royal Albert Hall in,
blah, blah, blah, I'm not quite sure when but.....(laughter).
The school connection was a friend of a friend called Ed
Welch, who got a job working with United Artists and was
involved in making demos. His demos required competent
musicians, who charged very little, and when he heard of
my abilities, and got involved in making demos, and Ed
went on to do the celebrated Confessions Of A Window
Cleaner film music and things for TV subsequently, but
that's how I got my entree oddly enough for ELO through
United Artists from the session work I did.
MK: Alright we'll talk about that
later. You played in the Hair band at the
Shaftesbury Theatre in the early 70's. What memories do
you have of that, playing with the likes of Alex Harvey?
MDA: Yes, it seems amazing to think
of myself sitting aside Alex Harvey who was known to
audiences in the 70's as a wild man, a Scotsman who went
absolutely wild on stage, but knowing him from the pit
orchestra at the Hair musical, you wouldn't put the two
together. He was timid and quiet and helpful with
suggestions and making everybody at their ease. You
wouldn't put that lunatic together with the quiet member
of the Hair band. Absolutely amazing but he just went
ballistic on stage, but as a member of a unit he was
subdued and quite ordinary. Yeah, and ditto Mike Oldfield
and Frank Riccotti who was the number one vibes player
who I subsequently made an album with. All those guys
were just in the background and reading magazines while
people were taking their clothes off,and I'm
getting paid for this sort of business you know!
MK: And working with Mike Oldfield as well.
MDA: Yes, I can remember Mike
Oldfield starting to work on Tubular Bells and another
guitar player in the Hair band coming into a room where
we were all sitting, and we said where have you been
Micky? He said I've been helping out on Mike's sessions,
and although it wasn't called Tubular Bells, he said all
I can say is he is either a genius or a madman, one or
the other, and that memory abides with me when you think
of the phenomenal success that was to follow.
MK: You joined ELO in 1972 when Roy
Wood left, how did you get the job?
MDA: Yes, the answer to this is
that I gather that when Roy had decided he was going to
leave is that the Ardens had made approaches to United
Artistes and did they know of any guys who could sing and
play the bass in the session world who might be suitable
to take Roy's place, and Ed Welch, the guy I mentioned
earlier was the guy who was asked and Ed said yes I know
two guys, one is Alan Gorrie who did Pick Up The Pieces
and all those things, and the other was me, and I think
David Arden phoned me up many, many times, I mean many
times, and each time I said I wasn't interested and
eventually, he insisted that I came down and met the guys,
so I went not expecting to like it.
MK: Where did you rehearse in the
start can you remember?
MDA: Moseley, at the Moseley Rugby
Club, great place that was yeah, we had a good game of
football, not much music! (laughter).
MK: The early days of ELO must hold
many fond memories for you, and it must have made you
proud to be associated with a band that went from playing
to less than 20, to playing the massive arenas in the USA,
where you played to many thousands?
MDA: Oh yeah,yes well that
is fact, that's a fantastic experience to remember
playing to a room full of people, in the same way that at
school when you get along and there would be 25 or 30
people not even listening. I think you mentioned that
time where there were 17 people, I think it was at St.
Albans. That was the point when Jeff got really pissed
off, because he thought it was just a waste of time.
Things weren't being promoted right. The English people
only liked bands like Traffic who would come on in
scruffy clothes and play long solos, he thought it wasn't
right. Yeah, it was a phenomenal experience going from
playing to 17 people to going out to the States, and in a
very quick time.
MK: Was it suprising the speed in
which it happened?
MDA: Well it was a
fascinating period. We go from nowhere to a plane ride
out to to States, to a hotel and our names are up in
lights on Sunset Strip, this is all in a space of a
couple of months, and then to playing to 5,000 people,
and within six months we were playing to 70,000 people
and so on. But I must say something
that I have mentioned before, and I do feel very
emphatically about is that Don Arden, ELO's manager is the
reason that ELO were the size they were,because Don
went to United Artists after receiving Jeff's impassioned
call after that 17 person audience, that I don't want to
play in England anymore, I want to play in the States.
Don put his business hat on and made it all possible by
going to the head of United Artists and kicking up such a
row, and Don was a very impressive character, let's put
it like that mildly, he was impressive, he went in there
and demanded the treatment that ELO got that started us
off, and made sure money was in place for our travel, for
publicity, everything to smooth that way when you are
trying to get your message across quickly, and you are
trying to cover a big territory, Don made it all possible.
There were other people I said all along who were better
musicians than us and might well have been better bands
but who didn't get Don Arden as a manager, and so I think
credit to Don,there might have been arguments about accounting, that's another
issue. He made ELO's success because he's a business man,
he took something he thought was good and said yeah we
can do something with this.
MK: Did you get recognised in the street?
MDA: Yeah, that got quite funny too. Again from our seventeen
people in St. Albans I think it was in Philadelphia, which was one
of the places that the tour took us to quite early on, and I can remember
being approached on the street there by people saying I know who you
are, which was very nice, but it would be very frightening over here
because you would think it was Barclaycard (laughter) but over there
it was very exciting.
ELO performing Showdown live on German TV in 1974 MDA: I'd known Mike Hurst for many years and he was somebody who had invited me to play on sessions for various of his bands, not all of whom immediately spring to mind, but he nonetheless was a very good singer and a good ideas man, and he said, Mike, how about getting together with Mary Hopkin, you, me and Mary Hopkin and doing a three part harmony thing, I again, I think, because I like Mike, and I like Mary, I thought socially it would be fun, and it was, and we got together and did lots of TV, and we did a couple of tours. We did some recordings and they went very well, and I think the reason it broke up was because Mary became unwell again, and placed us in the position of really needing to replace her, but we didn't want to replace her, she was one of the reasons we got the band together so this was unfortunate. But I heard from Mary the other day, and she is well and living the other side of Henley and recording. And her son, by Tony Visconti, who was the early producer of T-Rex and early Move, is out in America working with his father, and it was nice to hear from Mary, she is well.
MDA: We were doing a demo session in a little studio in Denmark Street, and it was one of those demo sessions where everybody goes and sits down with music in front of you, and you try and get through as many tunes as possible. Pierre Tubbs was paying for the session, and he was still at that point an employee of United Artists working for their Art Department, so he'd have been a guy on a salary, and faced with six or seven musicians in a studio. And studios always cost far too much, and I think he would have been quite tense, and I remember him coming in and saying, listen guys, I want to record in entirety, four pieces in this three hour session. That's quite possible, you just get on with it, and we recorded two pieces with Maxine and two with somebody else, and it wasn't till we started on Get Right Back that, and let me stress, it was a demo session that this multi million selling thing came out of, it wasn't, let's go and remake it, it wasn't, it was the original demo session. He came down from the control box, he said, Mike, for this one I don't want you to use your Fender bass. I have got this old bass that you can hardly tune up, and I want it because of the sound, and that was the thing that we played, that was the thing that we felt sure would have to be redone, but no, sometimes you get the magic of doing things in a hurry, and that was one case in point. So if you like, that multi million selling recording, I would think, cost him less than a £100 if you put the other tracks into the pudding, and do the arithmetic, which is quite stunning isn't it.
Mike (and Wilf Gibson) played on this hit by Maxine Nightingale
MK: You were involved with Violinski which sounded like a real fun project, did you have a good time with the band? MDA: Yes, I had a great time with the band. Mik Kaminski and I got on very well, and had roomed together in ELO at a time when I had come out of shock with sharing a room with Wilf Gibson who had certain rooming habits which I found difficult to get on with, and maybe vice versa, but nonetheless, I was determined thereafter when Wilf left to only to be roomed on my own. And when Mik Kaminski joined the band, he has got this sort of funny look about him, he can see the funny side of something, and when he first met me he wasn't sure whether or not to poke fun at me, being what he considered to be stand offish in being in a room on my own, so rather than insist on me being sociable and sharing rooms, every oppertunity he and Rick Pannell the sound guy, would burst into my room and make me entertain them, so in due course I ended up rooming with Mik because I got on very well with him, and agreed with him, about activites in the rooms, like nobody touching each others towels and things like that (laughter). For instance, if anybody came into our room, anybody, somebody from the record division, Don Arden, anybody at all, Mik would say quick the towels, hide the towels just in case someone went to the loo and touched one of his towels! No, we had a lot of fun, and Mik invited me to come down to try it with the band, which I did and I liked them very much indeed, and I loved the material, and they were great musicians in the band, and it was definitely something I wanted to get involved with, I loved it. MK: Violinski recorded two great albums , No Cause For Alarm and Stop Cloning About, did you play on both of those ? MDA: I played on the second one, No Cause For Alarm was Baz Dunnery who was Francis Dunnery's brother. MK: Do you remember how the band actually came together? MDA: Violinski I think was pretty much John Marcangelo and Mik Kaminski coming together, and John Marcangelo coming up with that wonderful instrumental, Clog Dance. I think it literally started with that piece. MK: Mik sometimes played that live on stage with ELO Part 2. MDA: Really! Gosh! And John plays it on his cruises round the Carribean. But let me tell you, it's quite hard to conceive he plays it at double the speed. To any readers, let me tell you that to play the melody on the piano, you have to use four fingers of your right hand, because it's a four part harmony and the intervals between your fingers have to change according to what part of the melody you are on, and if you can imagine der, der, der, der at great speed, and having to change to four fingers, minutely it's impossible, but John does it!! (Laughter). It's breathtaking. MK: Why do you think Violinski came to an end? We hear rumours it was something about distribution problems at Jet Records, do you know anything about that? MDA: It came to an end because we weren't getting paid! Rather than receive what bands used to get in those days advances, and off those you could live, pay your board and lodging, pay your mortgage or whatever it was. We used to get paid weekly by the record company, and the record company Jet got into trouble, now why, I don't know, but they did get into trouble and had to cease paying everybody, and no money, no band. There wasn't a way we could carry on, we tried to get other finances but it wasn't the time when we could do it. MK: Do you keep in contact with any ELO members at all? MDA: No I don't, but I keep in touch with John Marc of Violinski and I see him a lot, and you must meet him. He's very funny and very entertaining and very knowledgeable, so sometime we must look out for this. MK: Tell us about the Rubber Band. MDA: The Rubber Band came about through somebody's birthday party, and I was sitting quietly in the corner, when somebody was playing guitar, and said come on Mike, you play the guitar, and I said no I don't play the guitar at parties, and they said it would be something that would be much appreciated by our host if you did play, so I played a couple of tunes, and the guy who handed me the guitar had got a band called Gerry, no Dickey Heart and the Pacemakers, do you get the joke? This Dickey Heart and the Pacemakers was one of these bands that plays big charity balls, big birthday parties, all private functions you know, they are things that you wouldn't play every night because they usually require a fairly hefty fee. But I got involved with Dickey Heart and the Pacemakers, we split off, and myself and a guy called Tim Paine and we formed a Rubber Band, and the Rubber Band has been going now for about twelve years, and we play maybe once a month and we have just come back from Spain where we were playing for the Polo crowd, and we were playing on the beach, and that was a really great function, and it's those sort of big bashes that we do, they have as much equipment as ELO, which is the reason it costs a lot of money to put on and it's the reason we don't play every night! MK: So, we are approaching the millennium now, what do you hope to be doing in the next few years? MDA: In the next few years, well John Marc and I, have discussed putting something together, and so I will keep you informed about that, but John Marc has always been somebody I have particularly enjoyed playing with, as he's a great composer, and he's great fun to be with, I really hope something will come of that and that we can put some nice material together for that,and I'll be travelling with you world-wide carrying your bags to the German ELO convention !(Laughter) Transcribed by:- Alan Heath and originally published in his King Of The Universe Fanzine in two parts in 1998 and 1999.Mike and myself have decided to update the interview sometime soon........
April 2004 - Mike and his ex Violinski partner John Marcangelo have been back in the studio again to record some tracks for a new album. It will be recorded at ”Maison Publique” a studio owned by one of Mike's sons ( Mike Jnr ) and at least one of the tracks will feature the violin of the one and only Wilf Gibson. John and Mike have also been in touch with Mik Kaminski, who has agreed to come and make a contribution to the project.
Mike Jnr and John - March 14th 2004 Photo © Mike De Albuquerque Latest - November 2007
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